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to the proposal that house speaker john boehner put on the table yesterday. >> the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> of out of balance. kind of similar to what republicans said last week when the president sent over his terms. so now what? will they sit down and talk it through? well, not according to at least one senior republican aide who told cnn today, no conversations today, no e-mails, tweets, carrier pigeons. as for boehner and obama, they actually did see each other in person at the white house holiday party last night in black tie. while other lawmakers waited in line to get the photo with the president, multiple sources from both sides of the aisle tell cnn that boehner wasn't among them. so much for holiday cheer. we have this picture. we're waiting for the day there's a fiscal cliff. there wasn't total silence in washington today. senate majority leader harry reid spoke up. but in his case, in the form of a swipe. >> i sympathize with john boehner. the key party has a firm grip on the republican party, and that's obvious, what's happened this morning here in w
's buffett's. he can do that two ways. he can get john boehner to capitulate or he can say the hell with it, let's go off the fiscal cliff and blame the republicans. >> if he had had the top two percent pay in just a little bit more of their fair share, that would fund the government for only 8. 5 daition. it's not realistic. >> no. it's rubbish, all this. that so called buffett tax, if you implement that on warren buffett and all his pals, it will pay off obama's 2011 deficit in the year 2520 circumstance, in 514 years time, and then we'll need the next half millenium to pay off his 2012 deficit. >> i think the republicans were sent there with a mandate as well as president. obviously the american people voted for the status quo. they voted for divided government. here's the question i have. i would no want them to think os and grand hides and the slem hammer we're robbing them with. if obama wants to take the country off the fiscal cliff, they need to go there. they seem afraid of that. do you see that. >> it's clear from the election that the majority of americans essentially voted for
in the room, the president and the leader of the opposition, john boehner, the speaker. they may be closer, some argue, to an agreement than we think. the question is can they sell the deal to their bases, to their fringies, left and right i must say. >>> plus, republicans say they would change after the lek and they are. guess what? they're changing the rules. some of them are proposing to republicans in pennsylvania and three other states obama won. they're trying to eliminate the winner take all system of awarding electoral votes. that way republicans could win electoral votes in states they lose. >>> new jersey governor chris christie finally meets his idol. the man he's seen in concert more than 100 times. the governor and the boss, bruce springsteen. they're friends now. this is "hardball," the place for politics. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's a
no progress as all sides jockey for position. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions abo u >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies at this poin
their plan and it's great news for the rich. speaker john boehner just put it out. those at the top, the 2%, are safe. your bush tack cuts are going keep on giving. one problem, mr. boehner, you lost. that was injure position before the election, and you lost. mitt romney campaigned on keeping the tax cuts for the wealthy, and he lost. and he promised to do what john bain ser doing right now, and he lost. how about some respect for the electorate? how about seeing what the 2012 presidential debate was about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is weirdly true. it's almost like groundhog day, this guy, boehner, ice not a bad guy, but he's operating on a bad thou
that bashar al assad's regime has begun mixing sarin gas. >>> the speaker of the house, john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? >>> and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice comes under fire again. this time, it's over rwanda. let's go "outfront. >>> good evening, welcome, everyone. "outfront" tonight breaking news, president obama puts the syrian president on notice. the president is reacting to new evidence that assad's regime has started mixing chemicals to make deadly sarin gas, adding to its massive stockpile of chemical weapons. >> and today i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> assad is on the edge of president obama's so-called red line against syria. the president said this summer that syria's use or movement of chemical weapons could mean u.s. intervention. so outfront tonight,
speaker john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his budget plan. we've got a shanghai surprise. china's mainland markets up over nearly 3% after beijing's new leaders called for economic stability and new business growth. and it looks like more austerity for britain. george osborne getting ready to release his autumn statement. >>> nokia shares a little bit high today. they are teaming up with china mobile, giving access to the world's biggest mobile phone markets. >>> if you just got up, very warm welcome to the start of your global trading day. stocks are on the front foot this morning. this is where we stand with u.s. futures. currently called up around about 30 points higher. the dow down, what, 13 points? the nasdaq called up just under 40 points. the s&p 500 at the moment is called up just over three points. it was down two points yesterday. european stocks doing a little built better. they were as flat as a pancake, as i've been saying. as flat as my pancakes. we have just come down from higher levels. the ibex up .2 of a percent. overnight we saw china leadersh
, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the sameรง people pay moref their money to the feder
for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. have a great night. >>> we don't know what john boehner said to the president on the phone today, but we do know that boehner is finally admitting defeat on one thing. the rich will have to pay more. >> the next 72 hours are critical. >> will republicans cry uncle? both sides are still locked in a stalemate. >> there's plenty of hot rhetoric to go around. >> both sides are coming out swinging. . >> raising tax rates will hurt the economy. >> i will not play that game. >> president obama standing his ground. >> i will not play that game. >> he's not willing to play that game. >> playing the smackdown. >> i think the president has boxed the republicans in. >> i know we have it to raise revenue. >> is he the only republican? >> i don't care how we do it. >> raising tax rates hurt the economy. >> let's just go over the [ bleep ] cliff. >> if they do not make this deal on tax rates for the top 2%, then they're going away. >> i just hope this doesn't become a game of chicken. >> i will not play that game. >> it goes into february and march. >> public
's when severe tax hikes and cuts in spending begin. according to the "new york times," john boehner has asked democratic leaders to step aside so he and the president can attempt to negotiate a deal one-on-one and no one is objecting. paul steinhauser is live from washington. paul, you got some new polling for us. what do americans want to see in a deal? >> it's interesting what they want to see and what they don't want to see. one of the biggest sticking points between democrats and republicans over averting the fiscal cliff is raising taxes on those making over $250,000 a year. look at this from quinnipiac university, the question was asked are you okay with that? 65% say they support such a move to avert the fiscal cliff. this is the third poll over the last two weeks to show the same thing, that most americans are okay with raising those taxes on incomes over $250,000 a year. go to the next screen, there's a partisan divide here. this explains why most republicans are dead set against this. democrats are fine with that move. independents as well. but only a minority of republicans a
in the month of november. breaking news from washington. the speaker of the house john boehner. let's listen in. >> the tax hikes that the president campaigned on, that had more stimulus spending then cuts. and indefinite, infinite increase on the debt limit forever. four days ago, we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there has been no counter offer from the white house. reports indicate that the president has adopted a strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president that the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we will continue to see trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. washington has a spending3 problem, not a revenue problem. if the president does not agree with our proposal, i believe he has an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier t
and john boehner did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. "outfront" tonight, tom mcclintock of the budget committee. thank you for taking the time. we just showed a lot of your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a three-day week. obviously, that's an image that frustrates so many americans. why are people going home before getting this done? >> well, unfortunately, we're not using the standard process where the house passes its version, the is that the passes its version, then a conference committee is very good in revolving impasses like this between the two houses. unfortunately, none of that's being used and i think that's one of the reasons why these things are blocking down now so regularly. we've abandoned a process that works very well when we use it. >> john boehner presented a plan to the president and in that plan, he put $800 billion in revenue from the wealthy on the table. he said he would close loopholes and those people would pay more money. you were a member of the tea party caucus and some in your caucus have slammed boehner's p
. as soon as you see john boehner talk for obama it doesn't matter. the market seems to come off of that news. traders have got to look out if there's a joint announcement, chances are they're close to a deal, we will see the market higher. look out for that. dave: let's get off of stocks and deal with oil. we see oil slipping a bit and you see a point at which you might stop and that is $84.50. that is the point we have got to look at coming in next week as the starting point for this drop. phil: we have come down to that range several times over the last few weeks and that is when you had highest level supply out there and you didn't really have much geopolitical risk. we start to come back to that mode so we will scale back to that level before things heat up in the middle east and we have supply crunches due to the cold weather ahead of us. >> next week we have the final fit meeting of the year. the jobs report and everything we have been seeing. phil: we will see the fed continue on the same path of that they may just maturities they are going to look at purchasing. that is
with ourselves. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative groups outside congress. >> any complaints about this new revenue? >> i didn't hear anything. >> the speaker has full support of the conference to move forward and get something done for the american people. >> so far, rank and time republicans are allowing boehner to play out this showdown, trying to look reasonable while the president is intransigent. especiall
markets so john boehner and the republicans should quit bragging and they ought to promote the morale case for capitalism and free markets and explain how that creates prosperity for all. >> david. >> you guys can nine -- >> david, let me say you and sean and i are doing fine in america and nobody is complaining. and under eisenhower, under reagan, tax rates are higher than they are now. >> reagan dropped them to 28%. >> what you are saying is historically not true. >> reagan went from 70 to 28% top marginal rate. >> i speak not with forked tongue, juan. i have the data. >> but i'm telling you as a matter of history tax rates have been higher and the country's economy has boomed. the country continued to boom. >> there are so many regulations -- >> all right, let me stop you first because i want to get you in. >> you don't want to talk about the need to have some kind of fairness and equity. >> i want to -- i want to -- hang on. we have barack obama in 2008 said that he with are taking a credit card to the bank of china in the name of our kids. he said then we had $9 trillion in debt. now
john boehner, has there been any follow-up that we know of? are they talking on the phone? are they gearing up for an actual meeting? john boehner staying in town while this crisis continues. >> repr: that's right, lf. he is. and we are told that no additional calls, no further discussions that we are aware of. hat came after a lot of criticism on the white house that the president was not negotiating face-to-face with john boehner. but what we're seeing here is this sategy that the president hashere instead of sitng down with republicans, he takes his message outside of sort of inside the beltway or brings people to the white house. you've seen him sitting down with middle class americans also bringing ceos and small business owners here to the white house. that's what he is using to put pressure on congress to get a deal. >> yeah. let's see if he invites the speaker to come over to the white house and put some pressure on him. >> reporter: that's right. >> see if they can -- what they can do. as we all know, that clock is ticking. dan lothian, thanks. let's dig deeper wi
of john boehner and plan. those tea party-backed conservatives say this is something that would help job growth. clearly what we're seeing here is republicans are not speaking with one voice. >> republicans should not be conceding that the federal government needs more money, negotiating with ourselves and treating the president's proposal like it's serious. >> we do agree that 8% of the american people are getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. my suggestion was let's take the one area we agree and take it off the table. >> but zoraida, as you saw there from the president earlier in that bloomberg interview, he is digging in, saying there can't be a deal unless upper income americans pay more. middle-class americans should get the bush era tax cut extension. is he not backing down from that at all. the president saying in that interview that he's not being stubborn. he's not being partisan but rather that it's, quote, a matter of math. >> we've been talking now for a while that americans blame republicans if a deal doesn't go through. new polling shows amer
.7%, the lowest since december of '08. beware of the cliff. house speaker john boehner today saying no progress has been made on resolving the looming fiscal cliff. more morial, former mayor of new orleans. we'll talk about the giants and the saints at the end of the segment. you must be encouraged by the unemployment rate coming down and the growth in jobs despite several headwind in the economy. >> it's better news. it's 33 months of continued job growth but make no mistake about it, the economy is still in suspended animation. still not growing fast enough to make up for all the ground we lost. but whenever there's job growth, it's something to say thank you for. to be hopeful that we're going to have a better future sglp one of the things that occurs to me as we pivot to discussing the fiscal cliff, in this country the thing we have lacked for 25 years, 30 years, is income growth. the result it seems to me is that we have substituted the growth of debt for the lack of income growth. what would you say we need to do to reduce the debt growth and increase income growth? >> we need wages that
with the president, house speaker john boehner says the white house is stone walling. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house is has wasted another week. >> reporter: this morning in his weekly address, president obama is holding a hard line on raising rates for the wealthy. >> and if we're serious about protecting middle-class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >> reporter: but how much higher could be the key. the top tax rate is set to rise from 35% to 39.6% on january 1st. when asked if a middle ground could be found, both boehner and biden showed some wiggle room. >> the top brackets have to go up. it's not a negotiable issue. theoretically we can negotiate how far up. >> reporter: at another local restaurant, the owner has seen enough of washington gridlock. >> i wish those lawmakers would get their [ bleep ] together and get it done and try to help everybody. it would be good if they could do it before the holidays are over
. speaker of the house john boehner said today that he is still waiting for a counterproposal now from the president of the united states. and we learned late this afternoon that in fact speaker boehner and president obama had a phone call today. we don't know, however, what was said in that call. but reports are that some progress is being made in these negotiations. at least conversations continuing behind the scenes between the top leaders, larry. >> all right. a phone call. that's pretty good progress. many thanks. so let's just ask a couple questions here. does president obama have the whip hand in all these negotiations, and are the republicans about to be blamed big-time for falling off their own fiscal cliff? joining me now is ace pollster scott rasmussen. i just did a little tv gig with scott, who's in about 60 cities across the country. all right, scott. you heard timothy geithner. he said if they don't raise taxes on the rich, they were going to go over the fiscal cliff. but at the end of the day, if we do fall over the fiscal cliff, if taxes go december 31st, will the repub
. unfortunately, none of that's being used. >> in that plan john boehner put $800 billion on the table. he said he would close loopholes and those people would pay more money. you're a member of the tea party caucus. some in your caucus have slammed the plan, jim demint among them. do you think john boehner is the guy who's going to get this done? is he going to be able to lead your party to consensus? >> i don't know the answer to that question. what he's trying to do is to mitigate the damage that obama would do with these massive increases in rates. impasse is not an option. means everybody's taxes go up, but if the president has his way, taxes are going to go up on those very wealthy folks making over $200,000, but most are not very wealthy or folks, most are small businesses filing subchapter "s" companies, about 88% of net small business income will be for these taxes when we're depending on them to create two-thirds of the new jobs. boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> something is going to have to give. from everybody i've talk
. >> outfront next, john boehner says the sprt slow walking to the edge of the fiscal cliff. but the house speaker did give us one flash of hope if you listen to his words very carefully. the u.s. is updating its military plans against syria as new intelligence shows assad's regime is loading sarin gas into bombs. and president obama's pot problem. let's go "outfront." >>> i'm tom foreman in for erin burnett. outfront tonight, the magic number after a whole week of harsh words here in washington and threats to, did house speaker john boehner hint ever so slightly at a compromise today that could finally edge us away from the dreaded fiscal cliff? it comes down to tax rates. this is a huge sticking point in the stalled negotiations between the president and mr. boehner. obama says the top rate on household income above $250,000 should rise from 35% to 39.6%. boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there are a lot of
live in the obama era. not the john boehner era. >> the other thing, john, is the potential political blood that could be spilled. if the president gets tax hikes, which he can do, a couple of different ways. he could muscle this through by the end of the year. then all of a sudden you face another debt ceiling debate, where the republicans can use that to try to extract concessions. and then we get into another standoff again after the first of the year. >> that's why there's a split in the white house when it comes to the debt ceiling. one camp says the debt ceiling has to be part of the deal now because we can't risk it being part of it, shaking confidence. then we'll have the question of credit rating agencies, how they'll respond. and then another camp says, no, let's make it part of the negotiations. let's wait until next year. and we'll get the pressure from the business community is going to be threatening. and so they're not sure which way this is going to shake out. and that's why the president actually hasn't issued the veto threat when it comes to debt ceiling as being par
. >> democrats are pushing back. more than 100 house members signed a letter they sent to john boehner saying take social security off the table. wolf? >> thanks very much. let's get to the strategy session. joining us, cnn contributor, republican strategist, alex cost tee and owes. also joining us, a clean shaven young man, obama campaign senior adviser david axelrod. >> newly shaven. >> we need to see some id. >> looks very handsome, don't you think? >> younger. >> younger, thinner. get to that in a moment. social security, should that be on the table now or not? >> i think republicans are saying look, let's put everything on the table. some support means testing, if you're above a certain income that maybe you don't need to take social security when we all think the program is going to be in serious trouble down the road. very few people supporting a growing base of people that are on social security. so to keep it strong, maybe it is something we should look at. >> right now? >> right now i think we have more urgent things to do. that's certainly something -- it is something to commit to
. australia, investors shrugged off strong jobs data. sensex gained 0.6% today. >> john boehner and president obama speaking by phone, but no announcement of any upcoming face to face budget talks. earlier the president told the business round table that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff could be reached quickly if republicans drop their opposition to raising tax rates on the wealthy. and in an interview on cnbc, timothy geithner says the gop is making a little bit of practice, but the white house is absolutely ready to go over the cliff if tax rates on the top 2% don't rise. >> our obligation is first do no harl. we need to lift that threat over the economy. and now as part of that, we'd like to put in place as i said a carefully designed mix of reforms to put our fiscal balance in the path of sustainability. as long as there is recognition by the other side that those rates will go up, we think we can reach an agreement on the set of reforms as i said that will be good for the economy. >> republicans were quick to hit back. orrin hatch called them stunning and irresponsible, but there may be
view what makes sense for the country. >> meantime john boehner says that his party has a plan and he has already offered dozens of alternatives. >> you can cap deductions at a percent of income, that would be one way to get there. could you eliminate certain deductions for those wealthiest in our country. >> joining us on the topic is david walker. he's on his way here right now. >> and in global market news, a lot of talk about china this morning. a final reading of hsbc's manufacturing purchasing manager's survey for china rising in november, first time above the key 50 mark which indicates expanding rather than contraction. it's been since october of last year. also abroad greece announcing it will buy back bonds through a dutch auction. the set up whether allow athenss to assess the level of demand before setting a final bryce for the deal. part of the country's efforts to cut its about a along debt. and in germany, merkel is not ruling out the possibility of notifying greece some of its debt once athens finances are in better shape. angela merkel told a german tabloid that the q
to the fiscal cliff battle being waged in washington. now, late this afternoon house speaker john boehner sent a letter to the president detailing a bold counter offer to the administration's plan. the g.o.p. proposal does not include a tax increase on the so-caldwell thee but does contain $800 billion in revenue through tax reform, another $600 billion in health savings and much more. all told, the net savings amount to around 2.2 trillion dollars. the white house responded to this letter by saying that the president is, quote, willing to compromise but not on the subject of making job creators pay more in taxes. however, what our tax and spend commander-in-chief fails to understand is that putting money into the hands of you, the american people, is the single best way to spur economic growth, and it's not just people like ronald reagan who understand this principle. bill clinton famously said the era of big government is over and the end of wel welfare as we know it. why? because government is not the answer. government is the problem. there was that other iconic democrat, the one that occu
are hearing the president and house speaker john boehner actually talked by phone not too long ago. >> that's right, harris. we confirmed that there was a phone call between the two leaders this afternoon. no major progress but i'm told by one aide briefed on the call, this is more than they have done in a long time. so, maybe it's something they can build upon. but the bottom line is the president added somewhat of a new wrinkle today because he doesn't just want to deal with the spending and tax issues on the table and the so-called cliff, fiscal cliff, he also wants to deal with raising the debt ceiling which caused so much controversy a year and a half ago. take a listen to the president today. >> if congress in any way suggests they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> now, republics may not want to include the debt ceiling extension lifting that ceiling in these negotiations because t
john boehner frieze of members of congress to vote for some kind of a compromise that would include a rise in rates on the wealthy. i don't know what the mechanisms will be, but yu have the negotiations taking place on the one hand, and on the other hand you have negotiations on all the rest of the stuff which is likely to be lumped into some kind of an omnibus bll a sries of bills at the end o the year struck the last minute to bail us out of this issue. likely to include a bunch of unattractive add-ons, last minute things, and it will be the kind of agreement, the kind of negotiation that leaes the rest of america, the heartland, as you say, even more disaffected with the ways that washington is doing business. looks lik the way that washington is going to be doing business from here forward. rri: to you. you watch this. you must be disbelieving. the leng of te these things take. very important jobs numbers and the jobless rate in down to 7%. but what is astonishing abut that report was not that number or even the one below it. it was the number of people who are out of the workfo
-term deal. >> john boehner, speaker of the house, he came up with a proposal. but not all the conservatives in the house and the senate are on board. jim demint, republican senator from south carolina. >> this is a time to negotiate with ourselves. we need to invite the president to work with us. his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think we should go back to the table until he puts something there that we can work with. the president has known about this fiscal cliff for over a year. and many of his decisions caused us to be in this position. >> how much of a problem does boehner have with other republicans potentially? >> it's a big problem. it's always been his problem. it's been a problem for the republican party since they started taking that no tax pledge 30 years ago. what is revenue increase? is closing deductions and loopholes a revenue increase? and if so, do you have to oppose that? i think what we see going on in the republican party right now is a fight between the stalwart, no new tax whatever conservatives and those who believe that they have a responsibility to keep the c
, before the election john boehner proposed that revenues could be raised by this much. that's the pile of money there. after the election, which his party lost, he's now offering post-election this much new revenue. so his offer since losing the election got worse. that new offer came in a new outline of proposals that the republicans sent to the president in a letter yesterday. it's a plan that they describe in their letter as "a fair middle ground." here's what they consider a fair middle ground. we did this in chart form today. because it turns out it's really simple. and looking at it this way makes it simple. here's what they are offering. on the side of what the republic republicans get, the republicans get the tax rates they want, the medicare cuts they want, the trillion dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do
planning. also, speaker of the house john boehner meeting with small business leaders on capitol hill where he reiterated some of his key points. again, just within the past hour. take a listen. >> business owners with us today are here to highlight president obama's demand to raise tax rates instead of cutting spending. his plan will hurt nearly 1 million small businesses around our country. that will affect hundreds of thousands of jobs. >> reporter: and guys, there are republicans here on capitol hill who are urging the speaker to cut a deal with the president. i talked to one of the earliest republicans to say, you know what, let's take a the president up on his offer to extend the bush tax cuts for everybody under $250,000 and at least take that uncertainty off the table and then continue to negotiate the rest to have later. some of the republicans are now coalessing around that view that they should give into what the president is suggesting, at least temporarily, and continue to negotiate on the rest because there's a lot of political pain here for republicans if we do get to the poi
, house speaker john boehner attempted to paint a picture of white house negotiations and how to avoid going over the fiscal curve. i have been saying fiscal slope. now on the show, i'll go with curve. >> this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. four days ago, we offered a serious proposal based on testimony from president clinton's former chief of staff. there's been no counter offer from the white house. instead, reports i understand kate the president adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk the economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> the extremely vague republican proposal did not include an increase in tax rates a position he reiterated on friday making clear there's no movement on the white house's red line on treasury secretary tim geithner as he was asked about it wednesday. >> the administration's position when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy. making more than $250,000. if republicans do not agree, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up
increase. democrats have said no to that proposal.% in response to that a spokesman for house speaker john boehner saying despite republicans offer to put real revenue on the table the president has offered no concessions whatsoever. when will this willingness to compromise materialize??3 now republicans and democrats say there are no major meetings planned, no summit for democrats and republicans yet to get together and talk on this. the white house says they imagine that there is some e-mail traffic going back and forth but they refuse to tell us when and where they plan on negotiating this. back to you. ashley: i bet the language in the e-mail is pretty interesting too. >> right. ashley: rich edson, thanks so much. tracy: well more companies are accelerating their dividend payments. so we heard from campbell's soup and coach. some of the latest getting cash to shareholders ahead of fiscal cliff. oracle taking it a step further. moving up three dividend payments before the end of the year. for more on this, we're joined by gary kaltbaum, president of cat obama capital management and fox
to the plan that the white house has already put out. speaker john boehner has said that this is something that is much closer to the bowles-simpson proposal. erskine bowles saying the gop offer does not represent the plan, he says both sides are kind of far away from it at this point and that it's now up to negotiators to figure out where the middle ground is today. >> bowles said that the mid point that i used back in -- this is where we were last year. so used the mid point of the negotiations, but it's in longer the mid point i guess. >> he also said -- he is a testimony, but he has separated himself from the administration by saying that they thoo should have taken more of their proposals more seriously. he also said last night that you will see higher marginal tax rates. >> higher marginal or effective? >> higher mar begin ginal rates talking about last night. >> that's part of the 500. >> he thinks as part of the compromise to get there, you'll have to see the democrats get their way in terms of higher marginal tax rates. he also said that the republicans should be able to see highe
that means but a spokesman for house speaker john boehner used a similar phrase. maybe that means call me? i don't know. analysts say there are some suggestions that there's real progress that can be made. >>> a 7.3 magnitude earthquake hit the northeastern coast of japan this morning, the same area as the devastating march 2011 quake. but there was a tsunami warning canceled and reports of injuries or damage even though the quake shook buildings. workers at the fukushima nuclear plant were ordered to higher ground as a precaution. >>> our guest host is dan gilbert, he's chairman and founder of quicken loans and the owners of the nba's cleveland cavaliers and among the topics we're ready to talk about dan, the risk of the looming fiscal cliff and the broader economy. we'll start with this morning's other top stories. dan, welcome, great to have you here. >> great to be here. >> we want to find out about a lot of things including the housing market, because i know you have a really good feel for it. >> there's a lot to talk about that's for sure. >> the cliff and some of the stuff happening i
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